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Have heard the same rumour but cannot verify. If so, the it is a truely sad day for Ha Noi.
I expect money talks louder than a petition.
It may not be at Bobby Chin's old place, but the arrival of McDonald's is inevitable. KFC and Pizza Hut are already here. Unfortunately, a petition or protest won't solve much.
Just make sure you avoid the place like the plague, and chastise anyone you know who goes there.
Also about starting a petition if it is, in fact true - I think all of the same arguments apply from when we discussed KFC a few months ago (granteralus original post, I think?) Read those and subsitute Maccas for kFC and burgers/fries from any other place, instead of chicken.
there have been various rumours about McDonald's and VN - one of them was that the Gov't here didn't want to welcome McDonalds, I somehow doubt that. Another rumour was that McDonald's looked into Vietnam, and decided they would need to import beef, while licensing authorities insisted on them using local beef. I doubt that rumour is true either, but at least it's somewhat credible; while it's possible to obtain good quality local beef in VN, getting larger quantities, consistently, every day, on time is a challenge. Anwyay, imho, no need to worry too much about McDonald's, beef is never going to be a big thing here.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the Mickey D's in HCMC ever opened? We had heard it was slated to open March 2008, but it sounded like it had been delayed. Just wondering if it ever got off the ground.
This rumour has been around for quite sometime.My undesertanding is the Kinh Do Bakery chain was successful in acquiring the Macca's franchise.
The premises were allegedly for rent for US$40,000+ per month after BC moved out so thats a lot of 1/4 pounders!
Having only once eaten a Macca's burger - lamb burger in Delhi which was.....okay I am wondering if as beef may not be so popular here will we see today's special!
A 1/4 pound special Barking Beef Burger???
Pippasweetie is right. Actually, it's not a rumour. My old manager who was involved in told me that MacDonald did conduct a survey in Vietnam in late 1990s. Then, they left due to some business reasons.
I was also told about their return and am asking my friends for further info.
For what it's worth, I think there's a banking logo on the glass windows of the old Bobby Chinn space. That and I thought it was proven long ago that the McDonald's thing was just a rumor.
I heard that MacDs came in before but upset people with an 'Uncle Ho Burger'!
I believe that about 300 people have signed up to be franchisees and that they didn't take BCs old place because of the $40k rent. It is going to be a Vietcombank.
I reckon KFC is far worse than maccas, in terms of fat content and the poor battery caged chickens. Yuk. Even if the golden arches don't surface at HK lake, it will only be a matter of time before some rich Vietnamese intrepreneur opens a macdonalds goldmine in Hanoi.
And is there beef in Vietnam? I thought we were eating buffalo...
hey, can we start a petition concerning all corporations--microsoft, 7-11, nokia, whatever computer you use, etc...then we can all take our clothes off and run into the jungle and be perfect people and live happily ever after?
omg. what's behind this rumor? I was already angry to see the logo of KFC right next to the Old Quarter. McDonads can come if it wants but please spare the nice spots in Hanoi.
Bring it on and Super-size me.
I have my doubts. McD's isn't in the business of burgers, it's in the business of land. Their business strategy is pretty simple, own the land that has a McD's on it and generate revenue from the rental (plus skim the sales revenue). Since nobody here can own land I seriously have my doubts whether a single restaurant servicing the backpackers is really in the pipeline.
A single franchise usually fails, it takes three to get the branding to hit home and McD's would have to take Lotteria, Pizza Hut and KFC head on. Even if they could accomplish that they'd still get no rent money.
I hope I'm wrong. I'd love to get myself on the outside of 2 quarter pounders and a thick-shake.
I heard a while ago that macca`s wouldnt come to vietnam because when negotiating with the government here part of the deal was they use local beef for their burgers and the local beef didnt reach the standards that maccas has worldwide for beer so the deal fell through....I guess even fast food empires have quality standards (of sorts)
by beer i obviously mean beef :D...really shouldne be thinking about beer this early on a monday morning ?
Back in the day, i spoke to the guy who came from McD, and the beef quality story is the offical version back then. Un-officially they were getting f*cked around into signing contracts with VN companys who they didn't want to do buisness with. In the end, he told me, f*ck this place (For now) as they were opening 1 to 2 a week in China.
Lastly i reckon they would follow all other fast food business models in VN, and open in HCMC first.
I think they're already in HCMC. The plague will spread to HN I'm sure. I can see a gold star in those arches. While it's considered "fast food" in the west, it'll never be "fast" food here. Be patient.
They have officially pulled out of negotiations, and shelved any plans of opening here, after the opening of My Burger My.
Be it McDonald's or Burger King, let them bring in globalization to Vietnam! Glad that Bobby Chin is gone though!
laughed out loud at nat's response - made neighbor peer inside my gate to see what happened.
yes, really, atomic.
mmm...McDonald's. one can only dream. and what the hell is macca's? is that supposed to stand for McDonald's? that's like calling Michael Jackson "Jack-O." i don't get it...
Again...Macca`s is an Aussie thing...
Ive heard some Yanks call it mickey d`s...WTF...
Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! OI!OI!OI
# Golden Arches (U.S. slang)
# Mickey-D's (U.S. slang)
# Mick-dicks (U.S. slang)
# Macca's (Australian slang)
# Mackey-D's (British slang)
# MakDo (Filipino slang)
# MacDoh (French Canadian slang)
# McDo (French slang)
# Makku or Makudo (Japanese slang)
# McDoof (German slang)
# McD's (Scottish slang)
# Meki (Hungarian slang)
# Mec (Romanian slang)
# Donken, ''Mackid nnkan'' (amongst tweens) (Swedish slang)
It seems from the website where i pulled this from, that the Brits are using the US version.
Can we add to this list, do our Vietnamese friends have a term for the place ?
Jeez, guys. It's just another restaurant. No reason to get all political. If people don't like it, they won't go there. It's not like they can have a monopoly on food.
Did you just search this board for "McDonald's", and really feel the need to dredge this dead 'n buried thread back up just to share that, Nathan?
Old thread but I have to chuck my 2c in...
"Can we start a petition against it! "
That's an astonishingly dumb idea. As Nathan said above, if you don't like it, don't go there. Why would you want to deprive others* that do of the privilege? Does the existence of McDonalds in the town you live in offend you so much that you think you should have the right to prevent other people from going there? Talk about arrogant.
*including - I would guess - a helluva lot of Vietnamese, who have been living with the dismal Lotteria as their only burger chain all this time and would likely appreciate a superior alternative.
Funny how this resurfaced - I guess it must be that time of the day/week/month/year [take your pick]
Macca's in Hanoi, you little ripper! Can't wait! Finally a predictable quality fish burger, clean toilets and consistent, albeit dumb-arsed, service.
I wonder what a McViet burger would consist of?
[A McOz had fried onions, tomato and bbq sauce on it]
Just for the record I'm a Mc Donald's connoisseur (and certainly not an apologist) who ate twice a day for two years straight in McDonald's prior to the controversy of "Supersize Me" and did'nt put on any extra weight? - fast metabolism, yeah I know you hate me ;-)
I've eaten Macca's all over the world and I've only seen two places where the franchise did not meet it's own international standards - one place in Shanghai, and one place in Melbourne.
BTW if you want controversy, revisit the Starbucks in the Forbidden City debate, that's an eye opener.
Agreed. McDonalds is what it is. Like Starbucks, there are too many sniffy wankers dissing it, saying how they're going to start up petitions to have it removed, whinging about how it's ruining the culture of the non-American city it finds itself in - and yet they'd probably eat there regardless - at least on the odd occasion. Sure, I stopped reeeeaaaally hankering after McD's offerings when I was about 13 and starting to think about food a bit more, but even now after all these years, it has its uses as a dependable source of comfort/convenience food.
And - crappy mass-produced fast food or not - I have to say that McDonalds dishes up a (much) better burger than 99% of the burger selling joints in this city. How'dya like them apples, McDonalds haters?
Whilst I wouldn't hold the faith of it being actually clean, I would give it a go of they did open one here.....one can always hope.
@ dior2k5, yea, nothing new in that. 21C [v2 Autumn/Winter, 1991] a magazine in Australia posted a magazine article about modern archaeological studies that found 40 y.o hotdogs still wrapped in a Manhattan Island landfill that they excavated that were still in pristine,edible condition.
Seeking truth in refuse
The archaeology of contemporary landfills
Any McDonald's sightings up there? We just got Carl's Jr. in Saigon: http://so-saigon.xemzi.com/en/venue/show/4902/Carls-Jr