I have just recently returned to the UK from a trip to Vietnam. As many before me, I was very impressed with the quality and price of some of the North Face jackets I found in Hoi An.
I purchased one and took the business card of a shop where they seemed to have the most extensive range.
I have recently been told there is a North Face factory north of Hoi An and quite close to Hanoi. If anyone can assist me in confirming this and providing me with contact details for the factory, that would help me out a lot as I am thinking of ordering an additional few jackets (Its currently colder in London than Sapa)...
Thanks in advance for all efforts.
No, it isn't. Appearances can be deceptive. Chinese fakes look very real - right down to the labelling. But take a look at the Gore-Tex layer; in the genuine article, the layer is one sheet, whilst in the fakes the "Gore-Tex" is in usually sewn together. And of course the Gore-Tex layer in the fake jacket doesn't have the same properties as that in the genuine article.
Moral arguments about counterfeiting aside, if you're not doing serious outdoorsy stuff and/or needing protection from the wilder climactic elements, I'm sure the fake product would do the job. But don't fool yourself - it may look real but it's not a genuine North Face jacket if it costs 25-50 bucks. Period.
And another thing; a factory producing genuine North Face products isn't going to sell a few jackets at wholesale prices to you. They only sell to authorised North Face retail outlets. They have a brand to maintain. Common sense dictates this.
If you can get some factory to sell you North Face jackets, then you're buying fakes.
I agree with Vegas above you are buying fakes. They are not 100% waterproof, but they look good and are warm.
I had investigated the products when i first arrived into the country many years ago.
Firstly look at the North Face logo, if you see a stitch between each letter thats the first indication they are fakes, North Face genuine products do not have the stitch. There are many indicators and that is the easiest.
Take your items to the North Face distributor in the UK they will show you the top indicators of what to look for in a fake, they will then seize your items and destroy them.
The factories that win the tender to manufacture the garments are under tight control, once made QC and are boxed, placed straight into a container, sealed and exported.
You can't buy genuine in Vietnam there are none, and they are all fakes. You are chasing 'Fools Gold'
One thing to keep in mind is that 'fakes' can actually be any number of things - actual counterfeit product made in a different facility, factory seconds that find their way out of the factory, staff running extra shifts with genuine equipment, stolen finished product... All of which will have varying levels of quality.
That said,based on the performance of a 'goretex' North Face jacket I bought I wouldn't be surprised if the stuff you see around falls into the first category - warm, well-built but certainly not breathable and only nominally waterproof.
I agree with what everybody else is saying here. Further, unless you have the intention of ordering a few thousand items, nobody is going to want to talk to you. They don't have the concept of "factory outlet" stores here. You'll be ignored even if you find somebody you can talk to.
I have some completely genuine looking and feeling Levi's with a zip fly I bought when I first got here. I couldn't believe they were VND 200,000. I bought 4 pairs.
They are wearing just like any pair of Levi's I've had in my life.
I examined them closely and did some research on the internet. The quality is there.
The only tip off that they are fake was the fact that the model number (630) doesn't correspond to any list of official Levis models--and the only reference to "Levis 630" on the internet were ebay sellers and dodgy "discount jeans" sites.
Also, there are two tags inside. One says "100% Cotton Made in the USA", and sewed directly over that another that says "100% Cotton Made in Thailand".
Great jeans, great price. Levi's? Probably made by the same people in the same factory with stolen materials and taken out the back door over night.
I bought them in a jeans store on Pham Ngoc Thach. I don't think I could ring up the factory and order 4 pairs. I do think I could ring up the factory and order 10,000 pairs at $4 a pop no problem.
There are no factory outlet stores here. The closest thing is the "Made in Vietnam" chain. And even some of those stores are, themselves, fake.
North Face clothing including the footware at Umove are all fakes.
I asked a nice young lady at one of their stores a question, "Are these clothes you sell fakes?" She replied, "Yes from the faketory."
It's easy to spot the flaws when you know what to look for, example do you think the North Face shoes at Umove should be able to bend from toe to heel.
But saying that some items at Umove are alright if your an outdoors person and know your stuff.
Thank you to everyone for their input.
I am in agreement with most thoughts and to be clear, my intention is not to find a factory to supply me with discounted jackets that I can re-sell at a profit, but that will undercut official North Face retailers.
I simply need to order 5-10 jackets to use in the UK to supply staff who will be working outside. With all respect to the English weather, I am sure most North Face jackets, original or otherwise, will stand up to that task.
It was my intention to use a shop I found in Hoi An, but cannot get in contact with that shop.
My question should be - does anyone know of any shops/wholesalers around Hanoi that I can get in contact with to supply me with the handful of jackets I need.
Additionally, if anyone has any business cards from Shops selling North Face jackets, just let me know and I can make my own enquiries.
The fact I am ordering from the internet makes it less secure, so I would appreciate if anyone know of credible stockists or those with a physical location.
Thanks for all input,
The Made in Vietnam stores have a great selection of genuine, factory seconds and fakes of numerous well known brands.
I have picked up some really good Billabong and Nike clothing from a lot of their stores if you know what to look for in a fake and a genuine garment they are easy to spot. Basic points to look for are the inside labels been cut in half and or torn out indicate a factory second. Logo's with stitches between the lettering or messy and sloppy attention to detail most defiantly fakes.
But keeping to the topic of North Face In 6 and a half years of looking I have never seen a genuine North Face garment for sale, not even a factory second.
Marko85, if you strike a deal with a company to ship jackets to the UK and you deposit a large amount of money to that persons bank account and the items never arrive remember to post another thread on your experience of being shafted.
Be careful. When passing through Australian customs, your luggage is inspected. It's illegal to bring counterfeit goods into the country, and counterfeit products of all kinds (from knockoff DVDs to phoney Prada clutch bags) are liable to be confiscated. That's not to say they always are. Of course, plenty slips through the net. However, if you have a bunch of coats that are all the same in your luggage, they're more likely to be noticed and inspected.
I'm sure the situation in the UK regarding bringing counterfeit goods into the country is similar to that in Australia.
If I were you, I would check the customs law in your country regarding the importation of counterfeit products. If you manage to get someone to send you a bunch of fake North Face jackets, you're running the risk that they may be seized by customs with no recompense to you. Worse still, you might also face some kind of charge for importing fakes/breaching someone's trademark, particularly if the quantity is large.
Are you still looking for some North Face Jackets ?
I ve been recently at Tolia Shop in Hanoi Towers (Hai Ba Trung Street). The jackets there looks nice and of good quality but a bit pricy in my opinion (around 90$).
I ve been as well to Umove in Hang Dieu street.
But there, they look so fake and on top of that they are quite expensive!
If anybody knows another place, please let me know as I plan to make a motorbike trip in the North soon.
So I guess I will need a warm jacket!!
Thanks for your help
Most of the North Face you acquire in Vietnam are fake. The price ranges from 55-150$. I have genuine North Face jacket as well as fake one. They look very similar, but you can tell by the material's quality.
If you just want to have a jacket to keep you warm through winter, a fake one is more than sufficient.
I'm Vietnamese and I have some infos for TNF VietNam.
I've tried to do reseach for TNF jackets and also some other products made in Viet Nam with good quality for 8 months. I found some jacket wholesellers in HCM. I have their bussiness cards and if you're still intersted in buying TNF jacket. I'm willing to help you. You can email me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
I know this is an old thread, but for anyone still reading I've heard that you can actually buy genuine and extremely cheap TNF products in Vietnam. Friends of mine have done so. The reason they are so cheap is that TNF is all made in Vietnam and the factories do sell directly to the public, bypassing the middlemen who mark up the prices incredibly.
There might well be counterfeits in Vietnam but I wouldn't dismiss a cheap TNF jacket as a fake just because it's cheap...
;-) if it's fake, why should you care about the brand.
I don't think the TNF factory sell genuine products to public, because all of those factories are doing out-sourcing service, have contracts with TNF and are not allowed to sell products to the market (100% products are for export). Of course, some factories may 'cheat' by making extra products and sell to the market.
You can try Vietbrothers (aka Made in Vietnam) they sell good winter stuffs (I doubt they have any TNF anyway)
There are lot of fakes, but there can also be real ones.
as I just bought my self new motorcycle pants from 455 kim ma and they are genuine pants but prise was only 1/8 of normal prise if i would order them from europe..
but that said, I don't think north face factory could "loose" so many products from "back door" as there are out.
and if it say "gore-tex" I could buy it, but if it leaks when raining I would not be so surprised. :D
So where is this mythical factory? It doesn't appear on this map from 2006: http://avconline.avc.edu/mpesses/pdfs/TNFpostercopy.pdf